Comments on: An Interesting Dialogue: Lunch With Maulana Kashif http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/ Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:55:44 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: khaaqi http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-968 khaaqi Wed, 29 Nov 2006 12:18:19 +0000 https://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-968 Quote "Maulana Kashif, a truly excellent and solid Deobandi scholar who studied in Karachi" solid deobandi ..too royal..... Quote again "[1] The legality of the Mawlid and the reason for the Deobandi prohibition. Maulana Kashif explained that the reason for prohibition was indeed the fact that innovative practices had crept in, such as the belief of the general public that such a celebration was necessary, " Is this all the Solid Deo could come up with ?????? Go back to Darul Uloom Kashif Bhai....Your Maulana certificate is questionable ???? Answer... ......such a celebration consists of Praising Huzoor Sallalaahoalyhiwassallam ......... Isn't this Praising of Aqa Sallalaahoalyhiwassallam necessary ??? Whats wrong with you guys Even Allah Praises Aqa Sallalaahoalyhiwassallam...and that too in the Holy Quraan !!!!!!! A divine Praise that knows no bounds !!!!! Whats wrong if I call my friends to my house or to the mosque and we Praise Huzoor Sallalahoalyhiwassalam, and talk about Him Sallalahoalyhiwassalam. We cant Praise Him Sallalaahoalyhiwassallam enough. But I get it, to praise someone you need to appreciate them, Love them, hold them in High Esteem...Devoid of these characteristics then you are devoid of Praising... Enjoy your Biryani. Quote “Maulana Kashif, a truly excellent and solid Deobandi scholar who studied in Karachi”

solid deobandi ..too royal…..

Quote again

“[1] The legality of the Mawlid and the reason for the Deobandi prohibition. Maulana Kashif explained that the reason for prohibition was indeed the fact that innovative practices had crept in, such as the belief of the general public that such a celebration was necessary, ”

Is this all the Solid Deo could come up with ?????? Go back to Darul Uloom Kashif Bhai….Your Maulana certificate is questionable ????

Answer…

……such a celebration consists of Praising Huzoor Sallalaahoalyhiwassallam ………

Isn’t this Praising of Aqa Sallalaahoalyhiwassallam necessary ???

Whats wrong with you guys Even Allah Praises Aqa Sallalaahoalyhiwassallam…and that too in the Holy Quraan !!!!!!! A divine Praise that knows no bounds !!!!!

Whats wrong if I call my friends to my house or to the mosque and we Praise Huzoor Sallalahoalyhiwassalam, and talk about Him Sallalahoalyhiwassalam.

We cant Praise Him Sallalaahoalyhiwassallam enough.
But I get it, to praise someone you need to appreciate them, Love them, hold them in High Esteem…Devoid of these characteristics then you are devoid of Praising…

Enjoy your Biryani.

]]> By: Saeed Bak http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-884 Saeed Bak Tue, 14 Nov 2006 11:23:41 +0000 https://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-884 As-salamu 'alaykum, Interesting and beneficial post. I wish there was a study circle like that where I live (Odense, Denmark). As-salamu ‘alaykum,

Interesting and beneficial post. I wish there was a study circle like that where I live (Odense, Denmark).

]]> By: Salman http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-716 Salman Wed, 11 Oct 2006 13:04:02 +0000 https://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-716 Salamu `Alaykum I pray you are well. Firstly, if anything, you are guilty of lying and slander. Secondly, I pray Allah rectifies my self-righteous atttiude and makes me sincere in His worship - jami`an, amin. Lastly, unfortunately, Shaykh Ibn Taymiyya wrote more than the `Aqida Wasitiya and there is no doubt regarding his anthropomorphic tendencies. You are more than welcome to read his works if you understand Arabic at all as well as the works of those who refuted his deviance (Ibn Marzuq, Ibn Jahbal, Imam Ibn hajar Haythami, Imam Subki etc.), which the Ahly Sunnah are more than aware of. Wasalam Salman Salamu `Alaykum

I pray you are well.

Firstly, if anything, you are guilty of lying and slander. Secondly, I pray Allah rectifies my self-righteous atttiude and makes me sincere in His worship – jami`an, amin. Lastly, unfortunately, Shaykh Ibn Taymiyya wrote more than the `Aqida Wasitiya and there is no doubt regarding his anthropomorphic tendencies. You are more than welcome to read his works if you understand Arabic at all as well as the works of those who refuted his deviance (Ibn Marzuq, Ibn Jahbal, Imam Ibn hajar Haythami, Imam Subki etc.), which the Ahly Sunnah are more than aware of.
Wasalam
Salman

]]> By: hussain http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-714 hussain Wed, 11 Oct 2006 09:08:52 +0000 https://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-714 If Ibn Taymiyyah was guilty of Tajsim then your shaikh is guilty of being a donkey, you have my email is it possible to meet your shaikh? dont give me the adab nonense when your sufi superficial spritualism is a load of self righteous rubbish, may be your shaikh cannot read Arabic but could you tell me where in Aqeedatul Wasitia Ibn Taymiyyah was guilty of Tajsim? If Ibn Taymiyyah was guilty of Tajsim then your shaikh is guilty of being a donkey, you have my email is it possible to meet your shaikh? dont give me the adab nonense when your sufi superficial spritualism is a load of self righteous rubbish, may be your shaikh cannot read Arabic but could you tell me where in Aqeedatul Wasitia Ibn Taymiyyah was guilty of Tajsim?

]]> By: Khalid Hussain http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-243 Khalid Hussain Sun, 14 May 2006 16:16:38 +0000 https://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-243 salams, can somebody please specify what bidas actually creeped in the mawlids of the sub-continent that were so repulsive? was-salam salams,

can somebody please specify what bidas actually creeped in the mawlids of the sub-continent that were so repulsive?

was-salam

]]> By: Jenn http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-241 Jenn Tue, 09 May 2006 01:38:24 +0000 https://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-241 Masha'Allah thats good that its not limited. JazakumAllahu khairan for the followup. Keep me in your dua's. fi amanillah. Masha’Allah thats good that its not limited. JazakumAllahu khairan for the followup. Keep me in your dua’s.
fi amanillah.

]]> By: Salman http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-240 Salman Mon, 08 May 2006 23:59:47 +0000 https://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-240 Salamu 'Alaykum All three - hehe Arabic, then translated into urdu, then english - its surprisingly fast paced. Wasalam Salamu ‘Alaykum

All three – hehe

Arabic, then translated into urdu, then english – its surprisingly fast paced.

Wasalam

]]> By: Jenn http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-239 Jenn Mon, 08 May 2006 18:20:40 +0000 https://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-239 Is that class you attend on Sat held in Urdu or Arabic or English? Just curious. Is that class you attend on Sat held in Urdu or Arabic or English? Just curious.

]]> By: Salman http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-231 Salman Thu, 04 May 2006 22:05:10 +0000 https://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-231 Salamu 'Alaykum There is a position that it is a bida' dhalala, but Mufti Tafi', Mufti Desa'i, and even Maulana Thanvi make it clear that the major reason behind the prohibition is due to the munkar that crept in and not because it was in itself impermissible. This is what many other Deobandi 'Ulema mention. As for the concept of sadd al dhara'i you mention, then it is different then how the Deobandi Hanafis understood it. Your definition is more intact with the Shafi's i.e. If the munkar leaves it becomes permissible. I will detail the issue soon. Wasalam Salamu 'Alaykum

There is a position that it is a bida' dhalala, but Mufti Tafi', Mufti Desa'i, and even Maulana Thanvi make it clear that the major reason behind the prohibition is due to the munkar that crept in and not because it was in itself impermissible.

This is what many other Deobandi 'Ulema mention. As for the concept of sadd al dhara'i you mention, then it is different then how the Deobandi Hanafis understood it. Your definition is more intact with the Shafi's i.e. If the munkar leaves it becomes permissible.

I will detail the issue soon.

Wasalam

]]> By: Lurker http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-226 Lurker Fri, 28 Apr 2006 04:32:32 +0000 https://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/04/09/an-interesting-dialogue-lunch-with-maulana-kashif/#comment-226 wa `alaykum as-salaam, Hmm...interesting to see you mentioning the Usuli principle of "sadd al-Daraa`i" in the reasoning for the Akaabirs' verdict of unconditional prohibition on the mas'alah of Mawlid al-Nabiy. I've never heard of any of the akaabirs stating this principle verbatim in any of their works as the reason for their hukm. Rather, they stated the practice being impermissible on grounds of it being a bid`ah dalaalah. If it was prohibited due to "sadd al-daraa`i", then they would've celebrated the Mawlid al-Nabiy themselves in atmospheres where the blameworthy was absent. Because "sadd al-daraa`i" is used to block the reprehensible in an act which is inherently good but has been tainted by external, blameworthy actions. However, it is know, that when the blameworthy is absent, then it can lift the ban on which this usuli principle was sought to prevent. So if it was really due to "sadd al-daraa`i", then at times such as during the Akabirs visits to the Haramayn Shareefayn or in gatherings with their murshid, namely: Haaji Imdaadullaah Muhaajir al-Makki, they would've celebrated it too, but it is known that they did not. I would like to ask you which of the *Akaabirs* stated their use of this principle or at least implied this principle as their motive or reasoning in passing the hukm of prohibition for the Mawlid al-Nabiy? Please state the reference so that I may look into it, insha'Allah ta`ala. As for you mentioning the Maalikis' use of sadd al-daraa`i being "strict" like the ahnaaf, then I dont recall any of the Maaliki imams using this principle in prohibiting Mawlid al-Nabiy either. In fact, Muhammad ibn J`afar al-Kattaniy and Abul `Abbas al-Wansharisi both said that the night of the Prophet's (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) birth is more blessed than Laylat al-Qadr and allowed the celebration of the Mawlid, as did the late Shaykh Muhammad bin `Alawi al-Maaliki. So I would like to know which Maalikis ever used their "strict" principle of sadd al-daraa`i to forbid the mawlid al-nabiy? Baarak'Allaahu feekum Yaa Sidi. P.S. - You write "akabireen", is this correct according to the rules of Sarf? wa `alaykum as-salaam, Hmm…interesting to see you mentioning the Usuli principle of “sadd al-Daraa`i” in the reasoning for the Akaabirs’ verdict of unconditional prohibition on the mas’alah of Mawlid al-Nabiy. I’ve never heard of any of the akaabirs stating this principle verbatim in any of their works as the reason for their hukm. Rather, they stated the practice being impermissible on grounds of it being a bid`ah dalaalah. If it was prohibited due to “sadd al-daraa`i”, then they would’ve celebrated the Mawlid al-Nabiy themselves in atmospheres where the blameworthy was absent. Because “sadd al-daraa`i” is used to block the reprehensible in an act which is inherently good but has been tainted by external, blameworthy actions. However, it is know, that when the blameworthy is absent, then it can lift the ban on which this usuli principle was sought to prevent. So if it was really due to “sadd al-daraa`i”, then at times such as during the Akabirs visits to the Haramayn Shareefayn or in gatherings with their murshid, namely: Haaji Imdaadullaah Muhaajir al-Makki, they would’ve celebrated it too, but it is known that they did not. I would like to ask you which of the *Akaabirs* stated their use of this principle or at least implied this principle as their motive or reasoning in passing the hukm of prohibition for the Mawlid al-Nabiy? Please state the reference so that I may look into it, insha’Allah ta`ala. As for you mentioning the Maalikis’ use of sadd al-daraa`i being “strict” like the ahnaaf, then I dont recall any of the Maaliki imams using this principle in prohibiting Mawlid al-Nabiy either. In fact, Muhammad ibn J`afar al-Kattaniy and Abul `Abbas al-Wansharisi both said that the night of the Prophet’s (sallallaahu `alayhi wa sallam) birth is more blessed than Laylat al-Qadr and allowed the celebration of the Mawlid, as did the late Shaykh Muhammad bin `Alawi al-Maaliki. So I would like to know which Maalikis ever used their “strict” principle of sadd al-daraa`i to forbid the mawlid al-nabiy? Baarak’Allaahu feekum Yaa Sidi. P.S. – You write “akabireen”, is this correct according to the rules of Sarf?

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