Comments on: Are Your Trousers Dragging…? http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/ Mon, 09 Jul 2007 04:55:44 +0000 http://wordpress.com/ hourly 1 By: bro.musa http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1485 bro.musa Sat, 17 Feb 2007 17:32:04 +0000 http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1485 funny, no one seems to have mentioned the impermissability of 'lecturing someone harshly' about a fine point of fiqh, thus disturbing whatever peace of mind this poor brother may have received from his Rabb...this seems at best to be very poor adab, as we as Muslims are supposed to use the best of speech...is this how to increase attendance at the Masjid? funny, no one seems to have mentioned the impermissability of ‘lecturing someone harshly’ about a fine point of fiqh, thus disturbing whatever peace of mind this poor brother may have received from his Rabb…this seems at best to be very poor adab, as we as Muslims are supposed to use the best of speech…is this how to increase attendance at the Masjid?

]]> By: Hanafee http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1298 Hanafee Sun, 07 Jan 2007 04:40:36 +0000 http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1298 You mentioned in this wonderful post: "This was also the position of his father, the foremost reference of the Hanafi school, Sayyidi Muhammad Amin ibn `Abidin in his Hashiya." Could you please mention the exact passage from the Haashiyah as well as its page and volume number. Jazakallah You mentioned in this wonderful post:
“This was also the position of his father, the foremost reference of the Hanafi school, Sayyidi Muhammad Amin ibn `Abidin in his Hashiya.”

Could you please mention the exact passage from the Haashiyah as well as its page and volume number.

Jazakallah

]]> By: Salman http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1215 Salman Sat, 30 Dec 2006 16:16:00 +0000 http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1215 salamu `alaykum Sidi Ahmad: The `ulema who stated the act was tanzhi (without pride) did take into account `urf. I mentioned it briefly without getting into any detail since [1] I dont possess the `ilm to, and [2] `Urf is a concept that is not easily understandable. Sidi Darul Hadith: This is not necessarily the case. An act can be tanzihi if it goes against the confirmed sunna 9mu'akadda) or the recommended sunna (mustahab). The former makes the doer of such an act blameworthy, the latter does not. This also relates to sunna al huda' vs sunna al zawa'id - `ibadaat vs `aadat. So, doing an act which is tanzihi perpetually does not ncessitate it becoming tahriman, especially if it relates to `aadat. Wasalam Salman salamu `alaykum

Sidi Ahmad: The `ulema who stated the act was tanzhi (without pride) did take into account `urf. I mentioned it briefly without getting into any detail since [1] I dont possess the `ilm to, and [2] `Urf is a concept that is not easily understandable.

Sidi Darul Hadith: This is not necessarily the case. An act can be tanzihi if it goes against the confirmed sunna 9mu’akadda) or the recommended sunna (mustahab). The former makes the doer of such an act blameworthy, the latter does not. This also relates to sunna al huda’ vs sunna al zawa’id – `ibadaat vs `aadat. So, doing an act which is tanzihi perpetually does not ncessitate it becoming tahriman, especially if it relates to `aadat.

Wasalam
Salman

]]> By: Darulhadith http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1156 Darulhadith Sun, 24 Dec 2006 09:12:54 +0000 http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1156 Furthermore, The unconditional rulilng of karaahat on this issue is not an isolated view of the Deaobandi 'Ulamaa. rather, it is shared by great Scholars of the past as well. viz. Ibn Hajar Al-'Asqalani (r.a.)- fathul Baari. and Ibnul 'Arabi Al-Maaliki (r.a.) etc. Furthermore,
The unconditional rulilng of karaahat on this issue is not an isolated view of the Deaobandi ‘Ulamaa. rather, it is shared by great Scholars of the past as well. viz. Ibn Hajar Al-’Asqalani (r.a.)- fathul Baari. and Ibnul ‘Arabi Al-Maaliki (r.a.) etc.

]]> By: Darulhadith http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1155 Darulhadith Sun, 24 Dec 2006 08:19:43 +0000 http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1155 Assalaamulaikum, I liked the last paragraph in which you stated that since there is a difference of oppinion, there is no need to look down upon those who differ. 1. However there remains one unanswered question: Does the ruling of those Hanafi Jurists who permit this act as long as it is void of pride, does this rulilng also apply to one who is habitual with it? (persistance on a makruh tanzihi leads to Tahrim right?)Maybe that is why th4e Deobandis 'Ulamaa havechosen their stance... Wallahu A'lam. 2. With regards to one who does so without pride, Moulana Badr A'lam Meerthi (r.a.) has explained it very well in his footnotes on Faidhul Baari. Assalaamulaikum,
I liked the last paragraph in which you stated that since there is a difference of oppinion, there is no need to look down upon those who differ.
1. However there remains one unanswered question: Does the ruling of those Hanafi Jurists who permit this act as long as it is void of pride, does this rulilng also apply to one who is habitual with it? (persistance on a makruh tanzihi leads to Tahrim right?)Maybe that is why th4e Deobandis ‘Ulamaa havechosen their stance… Wallahu A’lam.
2. With regards to one who does so without pride, Moulana Badr A’lam Meerthi (r.a.) has explained it very well in his footnotes on Faidhul Baari.

]]> By: tazkiyyah http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1138 tazkiyyah Fri, 22 Dec 2006 19:52:14 +0000 http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1138 Some people say debating small issues is a sign of a decadent Ummah. But i would argue that debates on small issues is a sign of intellectual revival. Take the debates regarding quanta in particle accelerators in the west... these particles are small ...yet the debate BASED ON KNOWLEDGE is valuable. The debates of the salafis and modernists which are grounded in ignorance are the cause of sorrow. Some people say debating small issues is a sign of a decadent Ummah.

But i would argue that debates on small issues
is a sign of intellectual revival.
Take the debates regarding quanta in particle accelerators in the west…
these particles are small …yet the debate BASED ON KNOWLEDGE is valuable.

The debates of the salafis and modernists which are grounded in ignorance are the cause of sorrow.

]]> By: salik alawi http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1137 salik alawi Fri, 22 Dec 2006 06:43:07 +0000 http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1137 an umma that fights among itself on such issues, is in a truly unfortunate state... an umma that fights among itself on such issues, is in a truly unfortunate state…

]]> By: tazkiyyah http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1134 tazkiyyah Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:48:13 +0000 http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1134 http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6732649/site/newsweek/ http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/6732649/site/newsweek/

]]> By: tazkiyyah http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1133 tazkiyyah Thu, 21 Dec 2006 12:46:21 +0000 http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1133 the sunnah is always in fashion. You guys obviously are not familiar with the new york designer thom browne? http://manolomen.com/2006/10/19/booming-thom-thom/ the sunnah is always in fashion.

You guys obviously are not familiar with
the new york designer thom browne?
http://manolomen.com/2006/10/19/booming-thom-thom/

]]> By: Ahmad http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1128 Ahmad Wed, 20 Dec 2006 20:33:29 +0000 http://alchishti.wordpress.com/2006/12/19/are-your-trousers-dragging/#comment-1128 Jazakallahu khairan Sidi. I noticed that there doesn't seem to be any reference to the social implications of dragging ones trousers. Has anyone done any analysis comparing its social implications in 6th century arabia to 21st century North America? If we were to assume that in our social context dragging the trousers is not a sign of arrogance and is in fact the social norm, how would that change the discussion, if at all? Jazakallahu khairan Sidi. I noticed that there doesn’t seem to be any reference to the social implications of dragging ones trousers. Has anyone done any analysis comparing its social implications in 6th century arabia to 21st century North America? If we were to assume that in our social context dragging the trousers is not a sign of arrogance and is in fact the social norm, how would that change the discussion, if at all?

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